Episode 8 – The Abyss of Life | FX's Shōgun: The Official Podcast
A question of loyalty. Host Emily Yoshida and guests break down episode 8 of FX’s Shōgun. Featuring showrunner Justin Marks, …
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April 12, 2024
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@FXNetworks
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmAnyone else going to watch the episode again after hearing the podcast? 👀
@tophergrizzard2086
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmI’ve watched or played this episode twice. I’m losing interest . I can’t stand watching Cosmo destroy scenes. The tea ceremony was unnecessary despite the historical importance behind it. The art in making tea was finger painted by a child.
I am embarrassed by the amount of hype I gave this series after watching the first few episodes. The last two episodes are trash.
@rachiejw
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmthis show is so beyond incredible. i hope they win any and all awards the writers, cast, and crew all put so much effort in. truly a masterpiece
@pingkirsch1380
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmHard to turn away. Toronaga’s plan had best not be contrived or ridiculous. Too much build up.
@halfbreed_k8713
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmHiromatsu knew what the plan was what a sacrifice.
@khal7702
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmbest show since GoT season 1-5 n it's historical based
@efrainvillarreal2455
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmSorry but it’s hard to understand why his best friend had to died just to pretend he was defeated. Same for wife’s being abused
@jenny_of_oldstones3523
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmWell you can see how much of a good job they did with Mariko's funeral in the first series.
@NachoC9
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmI'm absolutely obsessed with this show
@vihmake
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmDoes anybody know if there are more cast interviews with English subtitles available? I have tried to watch Japanese interviews with automatic captions in English, German, Russian and in my native language, but there are parts of the translations that don't make much sense.
@k.k.2751
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pm日本人的にここまで細部にこだわってきれると嬉しい
@barylinture7430
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmSo different from the 80s version where Blackthorn is not really the center of the story. Kind of small part of the bigger picture.
@closponce
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmBlackthorne keeps getting the short end of the stick. What a shame for such a great character in Clavell’s book.
@wmccinema
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pm"SHOW GUN"
😵💫
@Hechicera86
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmAmazing show ❤️👌👌❤️❤️❤️
@jurgenvitollari
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThey should no longer state this is based on the novel, for the story has changed far too much.
@Mokotarish
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThe scene of Hiromatsu Seppuku is a master piece. There aren’t many shows or movies than can do this. It’s definitely up there with Tyrions Trial scene in GoT.
@akramkafi350
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmExtraordinary episode, it is a masterpiece. I absolutely loved it.
@2142rex
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmHiromatsu surely made this episode memorable. Havent cried for a character in a while.
@StormFalcon61
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmSorry Guys all your futile butterings of the show in vain, I call it what is is: Shogun is naked. One of the biggest disappointments of last decade. 3 out of 10 so far for me.
@TamMag-gh1ug
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmAnother sad and beautiful scene is the tea ceremony🥲
A drop of water is on the verge of falling from a leaf. The literal translation of the hanging scroll, 'Green willows are good, red flowers are good,' represents the preference to accept things as they are.
Buntaro set up the tearoom with his thoughts while he was on the verge of death. Mariko spotted the hanging scroll and the vase, and she realized his thoughts, so Mariko began a poem that focused on the scent of a plum that had been detached from its flower.
The scent of flowers has been used for a long time in love poetry. The seasonal word plays a significant role in Japanese poetry. The plum is a sign of a season that was earlier and not the one Buntaro selected for the interior.
Maybe Mariko compared her love to the scent of a plum. It may drift through her eightfold fence, where she accepted Blackthorn. I suppose she was telling her husband, 'It is not you who respects and loves me as I am.'
@Pedant_Patrol
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThis might be the best thing ever made for TV. Congratulations to the crew and cast.
@vpaquino
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmToda Hiromatsu😢🙏🏻
@emilyrainflower25
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pm4:25 Really disagree with the sentiment that you can never truly belong in a place where you weren’t born. This is a really strange thing to say…I understand that that was and is a prevailing attitude in Japan to some extent, but that doesn’t make it true…or an ethical belief. Do immigrants not belong in the Western countries they call home? Blackthorn respects and aligns with Japanese culture, speaks the language and honours their traditions, and he’s been accepted. Why would he not belong there? He came to establish trade, not to conquer. Now he just wants to build a life. Or is there something I’m missing?
@superpael
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmToo many chicks in the writers room is making this show soft. All the dudes in it are idiots and the women know all the right moves.
@superpael
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThis is becoming boring. The girl boss agenda is pertinent in the past few episodes. Can you just tell it like the book. A 15 minute tea session is too self gratuitous and is killing the pace.
@ajseth4692
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmBuntaro makes tea so sexy❤
@VinceQ.
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThis is the best series since Game of Thrones. So emotional, unpredictable and very mind stimulating. Thanks a lot. Hiroyuki Sanada and the writers, other producers and the full cast for this amazing work. This is what real TV feels like. Shout Out to James Clavell also for the original story. R.I.P Hiromatsu and Nagakado. Hee! Hee!! Ho!!!
@eumaies
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmAlthough the drama is riveting I really feel the gap of it not being clear what the value of time is for toranaga
@gregoryowain2073
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThe plot just seemed to get unnecessarily convoluted in this episode. I think the writers are trying too hard to emulate GoT and think making characters play 4D chess makes for a good storyline.
@stevebubbie1126
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmGin viewing the land scene shouldn't have been filmed. Correct me if i am wrong but Toranaga only gave Gin that land in case he died, it was dictated into his last will, so no one knew, not even Gin. The scene from last week shows him doing this. so this was a secret to Gin. The writers botched it big time. they forgot what scene they wrote for last weeks episode
@borinacalzetta1394
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmMasterwork 🌹 Great Cast
@stevebubbie1126
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmplease take Clavell's name off the opening credits, this series so far has deviated extremely from the novel. You insult him and he must be rolling in his grave. What you have been doing is adding modern fake feminist ideas into 16th Century feudal Japan. You've killed off characters that survived in the novel, expanded characters that had very limited roles, as well. you turned Blackthorne into some inept, insecure, traitorous opportunist, which he wasn't in the novel. He was the total opposite. you made Mariko some stone cold hateful woman, expert in fighting abilities, who becomes the hero. Feudal Japan looked at women as 2nd class, even expendable. even in one of the episodes when Toranga is told of Buntaro's beating of Mariko, says: "He can do whatever he wants to his wife, but i need a translator". You writers and producers have tuned a brilliant novel into some sort of "strong women vs inept weak men" TV series. i've had enough. good riddance.
@geelove4974
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThis is a soap opera shegun😢 no action
@JynxedKoma
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pm"Lord! Your vassal dies in vain!"
"Then die."
😯
@Nicolas-uu3jr
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmthis was a lot…
@cocoacrispy7802
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmI had to go back and listen again to the writer speaking about Blackthorne's 'colonial impulses,' because wasn't it in an earlier episode that Toranaga and the dying Taiko reminisced about the invasion of Korea? Wasn't that colonialist, too? Did they forget that the Japanese invaded the independent Ryukyu Kingdom in 1609? Or that the Japanese colonized the Ainu people of northern Honshu and Hokkaido?
Perhaps I've missed something, but I can't help thinking this all a bit hypocritical. Apparently, though, in the writer's Hollywood bubble only straight white men can have colonialist impulses. After all, don't straight white men 'have all the power?'
@lembitmoislane.
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmPeople can belong into societies they weren’t born into. I’ve seen it done wit people moving to my country, learning the language, taking part of local customs, becoming a citizen, marring people from the area, joining defence units, and even yes, adopting the mindset of the area. William Adams, the historical person I believe did this. If this were not possible then or now, then our future will not be bright.
@streamingscreens9931
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThat was wild. In 2023 The Last Of Us Episode 3, in my humble opinion, was episode of the year. This Year it's Shogun Episode 8.
@mbranche4234
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmLoved the evolution of Blackthorn. He views his crew members as bariatric…loud, rude, smelly and unrefined. Now he is more appreciative the Asian way of life. He is also beginning to appreciate the power of what is "unsaid" as opposed to him voicing everything that crosses his mind. Miroko told him to not be fooled by the smiles/good manners extended to him. He is learning as the uncle/nephew team that pissed on him and wanted to boil him alive, now want to align with him in battle. Blackthorn is not fooled.
@miner49er79
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmmy favorite series right now ⚔🎎💯💥💫🤟🤘👏🌠✨♠
@mbranche4234
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmThis eposide was brilliant! You see 8 fold fence and a fist broken at the Wrist. Toranaga is fooling everyone except those who really know him. Lots of sacrifices! Myriko finally drew her line in the sand with her husband…her fence is down! The head courtesan who has divinity gifts, lets us know that Toranaga will win, cause she is designing her Willow village that he promised upon his take-over.
@user-tt4cp9go7w
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmStop it you all. Hiromatsu doesn’t die, one of the generals is ordered to commit sepuki indeed but not Hiromatsu. Toranaga son doesn’t die, they both live and fight for Toranaga in the final battle at Sekigahara. It’s total nonsense what’s done with this episode, especially Nagas comical death
@user-vz8dj5vg7w
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmHiromatsu, true hero and friend. Mariko, loyal above all. Toranaga the man on a mission. However, I can't help liking Yabushige. I hope he makes it through in the next episodes.
@herschelleseteria4280
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmIm putting shogun next to game of thrones as overall best fantasy series
@ReachXEnt
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmso what does the scroll on the wall in the tea room say?
@LuocasKitten
April 12, 2024 - 7:52 pmI'm confusedasto where Toronaga's brother is(he does remind me of Scar from Lion King)
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