How We Get Down to 0.2nm CPUs and GPUs
We’re always wondering, what’s next? Every company has a roadmap, and some only mention one or two generations. Here imec …
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We’re always wondering, what’s next? Every company has a roadmap, and some only mention one or two generations. Here imec …
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October 27, 2022
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October 27, 2022
45 Comments
Olim Pather
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmYes. We fired electron bolts at a sand and taught it how to think. Humans is too advanced.
david esktorp
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmI will donate my body to science and then they can get valuable data on atomic scale materials by studying my weiner.
Jozef Bania
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmNice carpet russian style.
Sacco Belmonte
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmThank you Ian.
Sam Thomas
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmI can't understand how you can end this video by saying you do not expect a new technology past EUV in your life time…. you're a young man for god sake…. has technology ceased to amaze or surprise you? You're talking about 50 or 60 years btw unless you have very dangerous hobbies.
John Roth
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmThis is one of the best tech presentations I have ever seen on Youtube. Tech TechPotato a huge thumbs up.
Markiss Boi
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmThe people who design and the manufacturing of these machines be a good Video
things we dont see in the background that make it possible . science tech
Paul Michael Freedman
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIt's pronounced Ongstrum, with it being spelled Γ₯ngstrΓΆm and all. Swedish name. Should have just been in picometers. What's wrong with P1400, P900, etc.
Stadtpark90
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmCAT taxβ€
HypersonicMonkeyBrains
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmim guessing theres good reasons why they wont be using graphene.. And im wondering if Molybdenum disulfide is a type of graphene because its a 2D layer?? another thing i thought intel once mentioned was carbon nanotubes or nanowires but i dont think its mentioned here.
Allan Rowntree
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmWhat about 3D nano printing/atomic manipulation or biological growing for future chip technology?
Gelunox
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmAre we ever going to see cpu's made from diamonds? I saw a discovery/natgeo episode on TV a long time ago that talked about how diamonds can be turned into a semiconductor and that they have a very good thermal conductivity, better than copper. Since then I've never heard of it again.
Booyah53
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIntel has kicked plans into the long grass, 2022 plans are now 2024.. for now. Taiwan will soon officially come under formal Chinese control, the U.S will lose access to TMSC. The US is right now furiously attempting to assemble fabrication and supply chains within the continental United States. The roadmap presented here is nice but almost completely speculative.
Guy Smith
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmWhile I love the shirt, I'm skeptical that you are old enough to remember the C64.
The Rogue Nemesis
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmAbacus – the first 2D transistor
LULZ
ΠΠΌΠΈΡΡΠΎ
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmSo in 2023 is the best time to upgrade from intel dual core ? Or in 2024
Gaius Julius Caesar
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmI have exact same mouse. It's pretty good
Joel Carson
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmFrom what I am understanding, we are running into problems that the next EUV lithography machines from ASML and the resist materials are just running into problems getting any smaller and things like multi patterning won't help much, but will slow down wafer processing until it's currently uneconomical except for producing extremely expensive high performance chips that will not make its way into the hands of the average consumer.
Mick Miah
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmAbsolutely fascinating TY mate. Subbed n liked.
As you bought up your youthfulness take it from an old man protect your wrist, arm, mouse-finger, and generally hand and get yourself a decent vertical mouse. It's either that or you can join the team who need their palms injected regularly. Best wishes.
Vens Roofcat
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmFrankly just looking at the slide you can see the end is nigh. Can't go beyond a single atom. And even at that scale quantum effects step in already. Can't average output from the group of one. Plus every atom must be placed perfectly and not get cracked by some interstellar rogue particle sh!t.
We are pretty much at the peak development right now. Enjoy it. The rest is squeezing last juice. "Computer enthusiast" may sound as niche as toaster enthusiast some day.
Well done report, thumbs up.
Siana Gearz
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmI understood… pretty much nothing. I don't understand how different MOSFET configurations actually are built and work.
Alex Trundley
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIt seems the thermal regulation of CPUs and GPUs is becoming more and more restrictive and it was suggested somewhere that it was a hinderance to AMD's 3D vcache chips.
Is there any kind of microtubule type technology on the horizon that would allow water or equivalent coolant to actually flow through the meat of the die, potentially allowing them to stack more and more layers without the problem of overheating?
Tweedle
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmThanks Doc!!! But don't forget:
PHOTONICS ARE THE FUTURE!!!!! π
Daniel
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIs there a consensus on how many more nodes can realistically be mass produced with EUV technology?
Kam Kittrell
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIan, fantastic tutorial on the direction of advanced node development. Iβm sharing this with my team.
Jon Masters
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmNice metal mask behind you
Macboer
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmYas please
FalconEagle
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmI think there will be improvements on EUV specially on the cost side. I think some completely new design thinking will come around 2032 mark.
Ariliquin Ariliquin
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmWhat ever happened to graphine as a material?
Andrea
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmMeasuring units MUST NOT be used as marketing terms.
I bet Intel or AMD or some other company wouldn't like my fake dollars for their fake products.
Frank Harwald
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIf you wonder: there's an alternative to EUV lithography: EBL lithography (electron beam lithography). It already exists today & actually allows even smaller features than EUV, for example it already managed to produce single-atom wide features about a decade, but it does also have drawbacks: all research work I've come across indicates that it's difficult to use for mass production because results are difficult to reproduce & also costs, which is why commercial semi fabs don't use them (yet?) but some research labs do. I know some companies are trying to commercialize that but with an unknown amount of success.
Frank Harwald
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmAlso: if actual channel width gets below 5A then they really have to switch from FETs to tunneling transistors because no material or design can prevent tunneling through the channel at this scale.
Frank Harwald
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmI'm predicting that fabs will have to switch to some other semi materials as Si for the channel long before the A2, somewhere between A5 – A10.
frjfsiuojrsdug
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmOh I just hate it when MSM fails to get things like electron band gap manipulation using non-contacting bismuth!
Drumaier J
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmGreat video, thanks!
Rickey Bowers
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmIs there research into other geometries or are the creation of transistors the only goal?
Vladimir Pandovski
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmWhy can't we just download more fets?
David Gunther
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmOn a side note about EUV, I'm surprised they are using CO2 lasers, instead of diode or fiber ones. I guess it keeps the large capacitor manufacturers in business!
David Gunther
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmGetting current into and out of dissimilar materials can be a real issue (without large voltage drops). Glad they're getting a start on it now! π
guily6669
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmwell but meanwhile in the present and near future things are looking very ugly on latest stuff everything going at very high wattage that makes it look like silicon would never be the future…
Really hope by 2030 we would already have computers working with light instead of common transistors.
Dennzer1
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmYou say that EUV wont get replaced in your lifetime, in all probability, but I'd guess that, with advancements in quantum computing and AI, there will soon be problem solving scope of thousands of years of calculations of all the worlds super computers of today, done in a few hours. Quantum Computers are not really useful right now, for the most part, as I understand it, but that is set to likely change starting in a couple of years….PLus, A.I. achieved, (with the AI that won at GO), what was at that time, thought to be 10 years ahead of schedule…. (And AI researchers don't even fully understand that machine)
Hopefully it doesn't end in disaster, but the advancements in intelligence ITSELF would seem to be the thing that will allow us to go past EUV lithography, and doing so by the 2040s I'd guess. Or at least before our beloved Ian Cutress's lifetime! π
And hopefully we will fix climate change with either —
A — That new Space Bubble proposed by MIT that blocks 1.8% of the suns rays with 100% stops the excess heat effect of all the c02 we have ever emitted.
B —- reductions in emissions, which is not really enough IMO
C —- Fusion power plants could be less than 8 years away from starting construction. 32 projects with unique approaches exist in the world, and MIT and General Fusion both think they are less than 8 years away from Eureka!!.
D —- C02 removal from the atmosphere using already existent C02 vacuuming facilities, like the huge one they are building in Scotland, or the one that is in Alberta, built by Carbon Engineering. ESPECIALLY when they are hooked up to Fusion Power plants.
But, because climate change is already so bad that massive rivers are dried up, birds dropping out of the sky from heat or from weeks of starvation because their food courses along migratory paths have vanished because of other climate effects causing that food to vanish forever ( until we fix the world enough with super advanced tech ), … AGW is so bad that even if we stopped all emissions tomorrow ( something that we are doing the opposite of with record amounts of it every single FKING year),, …we would still suffer unacceptable levels of climate change damage, like food disruption, nature destruction, water source major disasters and so on…. SO, we NEED to also remove like 50 billion tons of c02 from the atmosphere every single year starting yesterday. But we probably WONT get there until 2050, and we are only at some tens of thousands right now…. I think the pace of us building those types of facilities will pick up dramatically. Several orders of magnitude, for a number of reasons I wont get into here. But one of those is, AI and quantum computing can calculate new super C02 absorbing materials, calculations that would not otherwise be possible without taking millennia, and instead do those calculations in like a few minutes or hours.
If we don't do these things, at least some of them or whatever combo of them needed to mitigate the worst AGW effects, I don't think most (actually, no one is reading this) reading this understand how bad AGW is going to get. I think I am one of less than 1% of people in the world who truly grasp how bad AGQW will get. Even a certain number of climate researchers may not fully grasp it. I am not special or smart. I just have a lot of free time, and the way I've been spending it allowed me to use a combination of data collection and mind expansion and perspective alteration which then allowed me to fully grasp the series of dominoes that will fall as AGW wrecks everything.,
Ryan
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmSay forksheet 5 times really fast.
M I L K Y
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmHy u need to get the keller back on and ask more questions
And radeon people and ask them why they dont ever sell big apus for desktop
Are they contractually locked to only supply console manufacturers or wht
It does not make sense to not do tht considering thy the only plyer in the market tht cn do it right….
Mark Jackson
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pmWe need to improve the EUV light source to improve production speed moving to SSMB steady state micro bunching
Jean d'Arc
October 27, 2022 - 1:37 pm"I don't expect a new technology beyond EUV in my lifetime" – 1 week later…. hey guys someone has figured out how to GROW in mass picoscale cpu's using quantum gravitational nano sparks!
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